I would agree with Ryan. If someone chooses to use playoff stats they are choosing it for the entire playoffs. When I would see people making their designation, as an example, "real stats for Jonathon Stewart and Russell Wilson and averages for the rest" Just seems like a lot of work on you.
If there were a way to sprinkle in a boost if someone outperforms their season averages during a playoff game that it would benefit them. But only if they exceed it by a large amount, guy averages 75 yards rushing but goes for 150, he gest a boost in the playoffs...
Also, I don't think people mind the lag in game sims as long as they don't start to pile up. I personally don't mind the season ending in March as long as every other week it seems like something is happening. I really enjoyed my first season and hope to do this for a long time.
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I was a little torn. I dont mind having averages at all. It seems like that would make things run a little smoother and simpler. But I had to vote for the realism. Not ctitical, but having the option is nice!
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If we move to averages only, can we still tracking injuries in playoffs to balance out?
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Re: 2015 RULES: Playoff Stats
I know this isn't really part of the question but why do we get to pick after the playoff game is played? I think it is more realistic to pick prior to the game if you want to use that game update or use season averages.
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Re: 2015 RULES: Playoff Stats
Teams with a lot of players still playing in real playoff games were initially at a big disadvantage here and that didn't seem to make sense that if you build a team with good players with a lot of them succeeding in the NFL too playing in meaningful games on winning team they're contributing to, that that shouldn't be a disadvantage.
If you had a lot of losing players on your sim team all sitting at home on the couch, you were effectively rewarded. Those players are no longer at any injury risk. Their health is locked in for the next month of games with guaranteed complete health and guaranteed no further risk of injury. You were essentially rewarded for having players on underachieving bad NFL teams.
We sought to have some way of not making having good players on good NFL teams winning meaningful games be a huge disadvantage. They have further injury risk disadvantages, so allowed further good playoff performance updates as an advantage to balance that out.
If you had a lot of losing players on your sim team all sitting at home on the couch, you were effectively rewarded. Those players are no longer at any injury risk. Their health is locked in for the next month of games with guaranteed complete health and guaranteed no further risk of injury. You were essentially rewarded for having players on underachieving bad NFL teams.
We sought to have some way of not making having good players on good NFL teams winning meaningful games be a huge disadvantage. They have further injury risk disadvantages, so allowed further good playoff performance updates as an advantage to balance that out.
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Re: 2015 RULES: Playoff Stats
Goodell wrote:Teams with a lot of players still playing in real playoff games are at a big disadvantage and that doesn't seem to make sense that if you build a team with good players that has a lot of them succeeding in the NFL too and playing in meaningful games on winning team they're contributing to, that that should be a disadvantage.
If you have a lot of losing players on your sim team all sitting at home on the couch, you're rewarded. Those players are no longer at any injury risk. Their health is locked in for the next month of games with guaranteed complete health and guarantteed no further risk of injury. You're rewarded for having players on underachieving bad NFL teams.
We sought to have some way of not making having good players on good NFL teams winning meaningful games be a huge disadvantage. They have further injury risk disadvantages, so allowed further playoff performance updates as an advantage to balance that out.
However being able to choose if you want to use the playoff game stats or real life averages AFTER the game is such a HUGE advantage over a small possibility of an injury.
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It's something as mentioned in earlier posts that I need to think more about, even for the very survival of the league and how I can most efficiently keep things going in terms of time/effort involved.
It's easier not to do anything with that. To just use averages for everyone and keep real playoff players at a disadvantage for further injury. But we changed that, at the time, driven by some actual huge real super star injuries in the playoffs that crush those teams. At the time, it seemed completely wrong to further benefit players on LOSER teams at home in reality versus the players on winning teams still playing.
There are variations on that I'm thinking further about from both my perspective running things and our players.
I'd personally really hate to see sim players that are real winners get the double-whammy, though. Continued injury risk AND add on a bad playoff update possibility.
Results for most players are lower in the playoffs than the regular season, because the competition is tougher. You're facing elite defenses. The very best teams in the playoffs.
If we say real players on real winners still playing in the playoffs get both further injury risk AND possibly bad playoff game updates against superior defensive teams, perhaps our sim teams would be best advised focus on acquiring lots of Oakland Raiders or Clevaland Browns players as it sets them up nicely in our sim playoffs. Their sim playoff roster would be healthy all sim playoffs with no possibility of injury compared to their sim competition with winning players going down hurt. On top of that, no risk of being beaten by an actual good playoff performance if we take that away too. Arguably it really puts the benefit again toward having real players on bad loser teams as a sim advantage, versus having a lot of sim players on real winners.
Personally I'm not sure why we'd want to make having real playoff players a disadvantage versus an advantage. Most playoff teams in reality are built with the kinds of players we should reward here too. If your sim team ends up with a lot of real winners in reality that's a positive thing to me versus having a lot of sim players on bad losing teams.
That being said, I get why there are complaints about using real games or having the balancing advantage of picking after. It's something I'm thinking more about for how to best do ahead all things considered.
If we make people pick real/ave before the playoff games even start, does that mostly come down to who guesses how matchups are going to work out best? Who predicts the future best will win our playoffs? I don't know if we want to make it all about who can predict best. There are other places (and casinos) all about who predicts how unplayed games will turn out best ahead of time. We could just make this a pick 'em contest.
Another option might be you can use a playoff update (and even ensure it's a good playoff update for advantage to real playoff players) but once you decide to use that once you must stick with real games for that player the rest of the way. So they'd be ensured one good game for sure, but possibly bad playoff games ahead too that you'd have to use and would make that a more interesting choice and possibly easier to administer.
Also we may look at taking away the choice and just incorporate good playoff performances into our sim game factors automatically in some way.
It's something we'll be thinking more on this off-season.
It's easier not to do anything with that. To just use averages for everyone and keep real playoff players at a disadvantage for further injury. But we changed that, at the time, driven by some actual huge real super star injuries in the playoffs that crush those teams. At the time, it seemed completely wrong to further benefit players on LOSER teams at home in reality versus the players on winning teams still playing.
There are variations on that I'm thinking further about from both my perspective running things and our players.
I'd personally really hate to see sim players that are real winners get the double-whammy, though. Continued injury risk AND add on a bad playoff update possibility.
Results for most players are lower in the playoffs than the regular season, because the competition is tougher. You're facing elite defenses. The very best teams in the playoffs.
If we say real players on real winners still playing in the playoffs get both further injury risk AND possibly bad playoff game updates against superior defensive teams, perhaps our sim teams would be best advised focus on acquiring lots of Oakland Raiders or Clevaland Browns players as it sets them up nicely in our sim playoffs. Their sim playoff roster would be healthy all sim playoffs with no possibility of injury compared to their sim competition with winning players going down hurt. On top of that, no risk of being beaten by an actual good playoff performance if we take that away too. Arguably it really puts the benefit again toward having real players on bad loser teams as a sim advantage, versus having a lot of sim players on real winners.
Personally I'm not sure why we'd want to make having real playoff players a disadvantage versus an advantage. Most playoff teams in reality are built with the kinds of players we should reward here too. If your sim team ends up with a lot of real winners in reality that's a positive thing to me versus having a lot of sim players on bad losing teams.
That being said, I get why there are complaints about using real games or having the balancing advantage of picking after. It's something I'm thinking more about for how to best do ahead all things considered.
If we make people pick real/ave before the playoff games even start, does that mostly come down to who guesses how matchups are going to work out best? Who predicts the future best will win our playoffs? I don't know if we want to make it all about who can predict best. There are other places (and casinos) all about who predicts how unplayed games will turn out best ahead of time. We could just make this a pick 'em contest.
Another option might be you can use a playoff update (and even ensure it's a good playoff update for advantage to real playoff players) but once you decide to use that once you must stick with real games for that player the rest of the way. So they'd be ensured one good game for sure, but possibly bad playoff games ahead too that you'd have to use and would make that a more interesting choice and possibly easier to administer.
Also we may look at taking away the choice and just incorporate good playoff performances into our sim game factors automatically in some way.
It's something we'll be thinking more on this off-season.
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Re: 2015 RULES: Playoff Stats
I think making them having to choose real life or playoff for their entire team. Not sure how the system works but would it be easier not having to go to a team and player by player select who is real life and who is season average? I agree once they make a choice it should be for the duration of the playoffs.