2013 Draft Date

What day do you prefer we start our college draft?

Sunday, April 28th (afternoon-evening)
27
57%
Monday, April 29th
9
19%
Saturday, May 4th
6
13%
Monday, May 6th
5
11%
Saturday, May 11th (Mothers Day May 12th)
0
No votes
Monday, May 13th
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 47

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Re: 2013 Draft Date

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RebelFan wrote:I use my phone for probably 80% of my picks, so it doesn't really matter where I am, unless there is no service. :| One thing about that is website navigation and communication are a lot slower than if I was on a comp.
When I'm at work, my access is usually limited to lunch except when my boss might step out. :)
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Re: 2013 Draft Date

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Well what if we just ran the draft on the weekends? and spread it over 3 weeks?

Maybe squeeze the 6th and 7th round into one day but all the rest in a single day...
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Re: 2013 Draft Date

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Some people work on weekends. Some work weekdays. Some go to Church on Sundays, or need to spend time with their families....


Can't please everyone. I set alarms on my phone 30 minutes before I have a pick. (it pops up with the pick number and AFFL or CFFL)


I greatly enjoyed this draft. I think with the smaller windows, teams have to have a ton of research, and be on the ball. It also makes deadline deals more entertaining, because a lot of GM's were online.


My vote would be for no changes.
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Re: 2013 Draft Date

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It makes deadline deals near impossible. Simply not enough time to even pay attention to FA's or trades. Someone said slowing down hurts no one but speeding up hurts the draft overall. Less quality picks not as much time researching not just the draft but trades and other things. I thought it was already established that we are not talking about the lack of prep time before hand but the fact that the draft is fluid and in order to have a more effective draft we would have poured over every detail of what was happening. We have no war rooms and lives going on, so simply The less time taken the less quality draft you will get. My best draft was my first one a few years back where I had days off from work and was able to wait and follow the draft New England was on the board in the 1st in the 20's with three out of the next four picks and a WR needy team. So I thought there was no way Percy Harvin would last through him. I made a deal right there and traded up to draft Harvin. I made two or three more deals that draft. With the draft spread out over a week or longer it gives greater opportunity for everyone to really pay attention and make quality picks that they feel good about and investigate every trade possibility. (I basically ignored every trade offer during this draft) The quality of the entire league would go up with a longer draft where a shorter one really benefits the strongest GM's who's knowledge is more of on the spot year round. And if we are trying to be like the NFL then we should desire parity rather than rich get richer.
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jacobsaces wrote:It makes deadline deals near impossible. Simply not enough time to even pay attention to FA's or trades. Someone said slowing down hurts no one but speeding up hurts the draft overall. Less quality picks not as much time researching not just the draft but trades and other things. I thought it was already established that we are not talking about the lack of prep time before hand but the fact that the draft is fluid and in order to have a more effective draft we would have poured over every detail of what was happening. We have no war rooms and lives going on, so simply The less time taken the less quality draft you will get. My best draft was my first one a few years back where I had days off from work and was able to wait and follow the draft New England was on the board in the 1st in the 20's with three out of the next four picks and a WR needy team. So I thought there was no way Percy Harvin would last through him. I made a deal right there and traded up to draft Harvin. I made two or three more deals that draft. With the draft spread out over a week or longer it gives greater opportunity for everyone to really pay attention and make quality picks that they feel good about and investigate every trade possibility. (I basically ignored every trade offer during this draft) The quality of the entire league would go up with a longer draft where a shorter one really benefits the strongest GM's who's knowledge is more of on the spot year round. And if we are trying to be like the NFL then we should desire parity rather than rich get richer.
You do realize the first round was the exact same length as prior years, don't you?

Its always been 20 minutes per pick.

To me the issue isn't so much if the picks are a certain length. No matter how long or short the time, some GMs will take up every second of that time, while others will scramble to figure something out. If you give some GMs a week to make a pick, well dammit, they're going to take a week.

What most GMs here are already doing, and should be, is getting online before they're on the clock, and working out a deal contingent on someone being there.

Even with the shorter time slots this year, I managed to make a number of moves to jump other GMs that I thought were targeting certain guys. It still can be done.
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I must've made four or five deals when I (or someone else) was on the clock. Lot's of wheeling and dealing... especially when people have the pressure of the clock on them.
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Lol deadline deals did not seem to be to big of a problem as there were quite a few of them. Perhaps some GMs thought they this draft wasn't fair time wise but we kept same rules for 1st round as previous year. To me this is what the que is for, to protect a guy against a player he does not like. Goodell made quite a few efforts to remind everyone to keep updating their que because its constantly changing when guys get plucked to other teams. Stretching the draft out IMO causes more problems than it helps as it opens more opportunities for days where people are busy. It's a lot easier to commit time to a draft that takes 3 or 4 days rather than trying to make it a whole week long. To me this should have been brought up pre draft during the voting. That's the time to sway everyone's opinions. I liked the pace of the draft. Thought it made this league quite interesting and felt more like reality. I have to agree with Rebelfan too in saying that there's a year to prepare for the draft, not sure your going to do much good if you are just starting to research a guy when your team is on the clock.
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Re: 2013 Draft Date

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Maybe my big hope would be more time between real draft and our draft. I had like three days to analyze where players went, then three days to draft them. That was a lot crammed into one week. Why the rush?
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charlie813brown wrote:Maybe my big hope would be more time between real draft and our draft. I had like three days to analyze where players went, then three days to draft them. That was a lot crammed into one week. Why the rush?
Not necessarily a need to rush. Choices presented from a wide range of start dates into mid-May start. That choice received 3x more votes than any other potential start date, though.

When later at times in the past, it's probably been due to needing time for me to get things ready. The aim adding more draft-related interactive content is to eventually pull more serious draft fans into things and build up more players that demonstrate good knowledge, so I imagine into the future I'll be trying to have that stuff going while the draft is underway so we'll likely be ready to go as soon as the draft is over. Not that we'd necessarily need to, but most of the times I ask those questions the vast majority want to get started sooner than later such as this case.

For me personally, I don't do a ton of draft research all year myself. It's great that people do, and fans who follow the draft closely should love playing here. I used to be more into that, which lead to creating the league, but I think teams can draft pretty decently even without that becoming a full-time job. I watch some college. Generally keep up with who the high first round types might be in popular discussion. But for the most part find can do pretty decent draft watching the actual NFL Draft and ongoing player discussion. I only had late picks, so paid more attention to discussion about later round guys. Just jot down a couple names or update draft queue when a name pops up of interest. Day after the draft, lots of content posted online about reaches and steals and guys people couldn't believe went undrafted, along with increasingly lots of coverage about the undrafted free agency frenzy right after the draft. As my pick approaches, narrow it down to a couple guys in the queue (based upon names of most interest and/or positions I want to target) and try to research those couple of guys to get a gut feel for who I want to pick of those when I'm on the clock. Usually spend about half the time on the clock deciding between 2 players and seeing if anyone sends in a trade proposal, then pick.

I want the league to appeal to a broad range of players, from the hyper involved super fan who spends as much free time as possible following the sport they love to those who want to play but can't devote a ton of time to it always but still want to play out their team building sports fantasies. I think either could do a decent draft here, and sometimes with the draft (and NCAA March Madness) sometimes the best pickers aren't always the ones who over-analyze every detail. But there's also something to be said about the most knowledgeable and most prepared making their own good luck. I actually want to further integrate some of the league drafts with some of the interactive draft games to make it easier for everyone (including those without a ton of free time) to learn about their picks and have strong choices from as many teams as we can overall.

We probably won't find the perfect mix that will be best for everyone for speed or timing. We've tried a couple different variations over the years and will just have to keep getting feedback on what most want. Because I'm on the edge of my seat at times during the draft having to watch fairly close to be able to react if a problem comes up, I'm always a bit relieved when the drafts are over. So quicker is probably better for me, but as we strengthen up the scripts to have fewer problems hopefully that won't be as much of a concern and I can just let things run without needing to correct the odd situation or two that sometimes pop up.

We'll put a poll up here pretty soon with some of the ideas while it's fresh in our minds versus asking again 10 months from now. Thanks for feedback and suggestions.
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Re: 2013 Draft Date

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Goodell wrote:...But for the most part find can do pretty decent draft watching the actual NFL Draft and ongoing player discussion.
I can't stop myself from DVRing the draft and watching it. But I do find myself getting SO pissed off in the later rounds when they are not even talking about who's getting drafted anymore. I got so sick of listening to their BS about Teo that I finally just muted it. They really need to hold it together a little better, and it's the same every year.

Also, just to be clear, I really wasn't bothered with the smaller time windows, just the 2 rounds per day really stacked up the workload it seemed like. Especially by the 7th round. I do have 2 teams, maybe that's part of it, also late in the semester & getting ready for finals and all that good stuff. I realize that out of 96 or however many gms there are going to be scheduling conflicts any old way we set it up, such is life with 90 others involved. And I realize that this discussion isn't going to affect anything this year, this is feedback for next year. It was hectic for me this year, more so than usual, but I managed. I was pretty darn relieved when it was over too.
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