2016 RULES: LTC

[Onyxgem]

To me, really we just want to prevent bad LTC figures generated from the league. A floor of some type accomplishes that and keeps things simple for most calculations otherwise. Just stops the insanely low deals for long-term extensions due to whatever odd market contracts here.

Problem is how do we do this? Do we do it as a floor for 95+ rated guys, 90, 85, 80 ect??

[Leb]

I think the main problem right now is the QBs. With other positions a low rated starter and a backup will get relatively similar deals. But with QBs there is a large gap between what a starter makes and what a high quality backup makes. Basing a starting qb contract on 2 veteran starter contracts and 8 rookie and backup contracts is not a realistic way these contracts are formed.

[jerrydlux]

Not sure if that could happen Leb. Unless you are using the LTC on a backup hoping he become the starter and produces for years to come. I have Colin kaepernik and as an 81 his cap hit is still almost 11mil per. I believe he was rated higher when I used the LTC on him last year but there are many qbs ranked in the 80's that have starter pay.

Not trying to stir the pot, just not seeing your example happening in averaging out salaries. If you want to, please give an example.

[JonC]

Long-Term Contract Extension for: Kaepernick, Colin (|QB|) for DFFL SF
2014 Salary: $ 645,000 | RB: 0 | 2015 Salary: $ 3,685,250 | GRADE: 81

LTC includes a calculated Annual Salary + Signing Bonus.
5-year LTC requires SB = 200% of LTC Salary | 4-year LTC requires SB = 150% of LTC Salary
3-year LTC requires SB = 100% of LTC Salary + NO TRADE FOR 1 YEAR
2-year LTC requires SB = 50% of LTC Salary + NO TRADE FOR 1 YEAR

Top 10 salaries in 2014 for |QB| between grades 0 to 83:

• Dalton, Andy |QB| (81): Salary $ 8,333,500 RB $ 0 = $ 8,333,500
• Cutler, Jay |QB| (79): Salary $ 7,000,000 RB $ 0 = $ 7,000,000
• Bradford, Sam |QB| (83): Salary $ 2,805,000 RB $ 3,500,000 = $ 6,305,000
• McCown, Josh |QB| (73): Salary $ 4,000,000 RB $ 0 = $ 4,000,000
• Griffin III, Robert |QB| (78): Salary $ 2,300,000 RB $ 0 = $ 2,300,000
• Campbell, Jason |QB| (76): Salary $ 2,250,000 RB $ 0 = $ 2,250,000
• Cassel, Matt |QB| (76): Salary $ 2,000,000 RB $ 0 = $ 2,000,000
• Vick, Michael |QB| (75): Salary $ 1,500,000 RB $ 0 = $ 1,500,000
• McCoy, Colt |QB| (75): Salary $ 1,294,120 RB $ 0 = $ 1,294,120
• Schaub, Matt |QB| (75): Salary $ 1,260,000 RB $ 0 = $ 1,260,000

Average Salary of Top 10 Peers (including roster bonus): $ 3,624,262
Player's Annual Salary (including roster bonus): 645,000

LTC SALARY VALUE: $ 3,624,262

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This is the Kaepernick LTC in DFFL this year, jerry. I'm guessing, but I think this is what Leb was referring to.

[Jared A]

The QB situation needs resolved no matter what.


There aren't enough QB's in the league to justify averaging the top 10 within your player's range. It should be the top 3 or something like that.

[JonC]

My only problem with this is that I feel like it's an anomaly. Yes, you can use an LTC on a backup hoping he'll grow into a starter, but normally that's not a good use of cap space unless you are in a special situation.

On the other hand, there is no way that fake Colin Kaepernick signs this long term deal. Fake Colin Kaepernick is pulling a real life Flacco and playing next year without a net trying to score the big deal. From that perspective, maybe there should be a 'floor' for LTC...if a player has a salary below X (different for each position), they won't sign the deal.

I wouldn't be in favor of bumping players up to the floor to sign them because that artificially inflates salaries, but I think it could offer a pretty tidy way for our fake players to reject offers that are far too team friendly.

[Jared A]

But with QB's it isn't uncommon. Simply because there aren't that many of them.


Also, the idea is to prevent unrealistic contracts. That would mean to close small loops like this... to prevent them in the future.

[Leb]

The Kaepernick contract is the one I was referring to as it was the biggest snag in the LTC system this year, but Foles and Stafford were also signed to significantly sub-market contracts in DFFL for the same reason as Kaepernick (but to a lesser degree).

In my opinion, the LTC system should be designed to assign fair value based on the approximate peer group of a player. In the case of starting quarterbacks (because of the large disparity between the importance of actual game updates versus Madden grade), their peer group is other starting quarterbacks, not those with similar Madden grades.

In contrast, an 81 graded starting linebacker or tackle has relatively the same worth as a 79 graded backup at the position due to only the grade being utilized in the simulation. Therefore the current system is quite effective at getting mostly fair contracts for these players at other positions.

The problem with the position players, as Goodell has stated by bringing up the case with Haden, which also happened with Richard Sherman, is at the other end of the spectrum. I think tino brought up the point that signing bonuses could be the cause of this as the elite players tend to get larger percentages of guaranteed money which is currently not counted in the LTC calculation. Tracking the signing bonuses could prove difficult. I would be in favor of making the full transition tag the floor for any player that falls into the top 10 at his position. With the signing bonus thrown in, it puts the value very near the starting franchise tag number which is what these players should be making in most cases.

[RebelFan]

Hey commish I know you're pretty busy with these leagues, but after you figure out how to pacify all 96 or however many gms that every single ltc under our formula will generate a market level value for all 5000 players in our database, do you think you could work a proposal to solve world hunger? Maybe work on the equation for zero mass energy, and then maybe finish up the nuclear negotiations with Iran?


And sarcasm aside, I say there's no way in hell Kaep would get anywhere near the contract he got last year, after the horrendous, barely watchable season he put together in 2014.
True, in real life he probably takes the Flacco route and bets on himself. Our ltc structure that we all voted on and have discussed incessantly every off season doesn't account for that though. Are we really asking Troy to divine some sort of miracle solution to this minor issue that affects maybe 3 players per year tops?
I think some people need to get a grip and stand back & realize that this is just a game. Sitting around picking apart every aspect of every transaction takes a lot of the fun out of it.
This is almost as absurd as the practice squad/waivers discussion that was run in t o the ground to pacify a few gms crying about players that they cut from their rosters.
A little bit of PERSPECTIVE goes a long way.
But that's just like, my opinion, man.

[Jared A]

Rebel,

We actually discussed this previously.


I don't believe it would be a difficult fix. With QB's... just take the top 3 and average those when doing the QB contracts.